Viewpoint: Understanding Anti-transgender Feminism

Viewpoint: Understanding Anti-transgender Feminism

Lisa Kalayji

In an unprecedented turn, the UK Labour Party recently announced that it would extend access to its all-women candidacy shortlists to transwomen, formally indicating recognition of their place within the fold of the diverse category of ‘women’. The backlash was swift and severe: a small but voluble subset of feminists declared the move an attack on women, convening an event at Parliament to decry the change. This, in turn, incited a fresh wave of the hate speech and abuse that trans people have come to know all too well. Commentary on the matter has exploded, even eliciting the first-ever appearance of a trans person on BBC Question Time.

The heated disagreement between trans people and anti-trans feminists frequently makes headlines, but it is widely misunderstood. What is really at its heart takes a bit of digging to get to, and if there is to be any chance of resolving it, we must look to its roots. There is a manifest aversion on both sides to genuinely engaging with one another’s perspectives, because to do so wanders uncomfortably near to empathising with people to whom we would prefer not to extend empathy. Though the terms ‘understanding’ and ‘empathy’ are often used interchangeably, they are not quite the same thing, and it is possible to understand (to make sense of) without necessarily empathising (to share in the feelings and perspectives of). I am a trans-positive feminist, but I have spent the past five years studying anti-trans feminism and its ideological and emotional foundations. In what follows, I will attempt to help the majority – trans-positive feminists – to understand the seemingly opaque interior of anti-trans feminism.

An Overlooked Herstory
The anti-transgender position in feminism is generally attributed to radical feminists, and the theory that gave rise to it comes from that tradition. Radical feminism has a long history, and a critical mass of feminists who were not yet born or old enough to comprehend the early years of the ‘second wave’ of women’s liberation from which it emerged have little knowledge of where the ideological fractures in feminism came from. There are two major implications of that knowledge gap: (1) trenchant anti-trans ideology didn’t materialise out of thin air – it is rooted in a lineage of real, embodied, complex lived experiences of doing women’s liberation; (2) radical feminists know that many of their most determined critics ‘weren’t there’ when the relevant ideologies took shape, and assume that we probably have not taken pains to learn our herstory.

A view of trans-positive feminists as herstory-ignorant is itself a major contributor to the persistence of anti-trans feminism, and gives rise to one of its paradoxes: feminists telling (trans)people that they are not the authorities on their own experience. With feminism being firmly rooted in the view that the best source of knowledge about our realities is our own experience, this is a counter-intuitive stance, but one which is nevertheless vital for anti-trans feminists. Trans-positive feminists, they suggest, are patriarchal dupes, taken in by appealing narratives and our emotional attachments to ultimately harmful practices and paradigms. Trans people themselves, meanwhile, are taken to be either wilful infiltrators on a mission to bring feminism down from within by inhabiting Trojan Horse female bodies (they have a lot less to say on the issue of trans men, except that they are women who have sought to embody the male privilege that they could not readily access otherwise) or dupes of a malevolent endocrinological industrial complex bent on exploiting their discomfort with restrictive gender roles to sell costly and dangerous hormones and surgeries. When transwomen identify as women and trans-positive cis (non-trans) feminists support them, anti-trans feminists claim to understand what we are thinking and feeling better than we do, either because we are maliciously backward-thinking or because we lack the critical analytic capacities to understand our own subjectivities.

This view of trans folks and their allies as self-unaware and herstory-ignorant is the first component to the change aversion of anti-trans feminists. Why would they yield to the persuasions of those who are either duped or willingly malevolent? It would make no more sense than feminists considering the possibility that perhaps women really are inferior to men, or socialists accepting that capitalism really can be righteous, if we all just ‘lean in’. Trans-positive feminists would, of course, argue that these are wildly false analogies, but anti-trans radical feminists don’t think so – any understanding of their lens has to recognise that from their perspective, these parallels are spot-on.

The next question, then, is why might these analogies strike an anti-trans feminist as fitting? Again, we have to turn to history. The fundamental fractures in the Women’s Movement from which (British) anti-trans feminism proceeded began with divisions over the ‘men question’: whether women’s liberationists ought to continue cooperating with men in the radical social movements of the 1960s and ‘70s (in spite of their unrelenting misogyny) or withdraw their energies and form their own groups which wouldn’t relegate women to the roles of secretaries, child minders, sex objects, and punchlines. Socialist feminists gave men a lot of leeway – men were so deeply invested in patriarchy, they said. They are overwhelmed, frightened, and distressed at accusations of misogyny, and need plenty of time and gentle encouragement to let go of their ill-gotten status as the dominant gender. Radical feminists were unmoved by these pleas, seeing men’s commitment to patriarchy as a wilful defence of male supremacy. They were not interested in doing the work of lovingly nurturing men into treating women like fully-fledged human beings, nor did they think that attempting it would yield any such result.

As the Women’s Movement wore on and an array of historical shifts took place from the late ‘70s to the early ‘90s (notably the emergence and dominance of neoliberalism and political thinkers’ growing interest in culture and discourse), radical feminism became more marginal and other feminisms more influential. Fast forward a few decades, and have a look at where we are now. Sexual violence is still pandemic. Neither the judicial system nor society at large have reached a consensus that rapists are the ones to blame (and punish) for rape. Women remain under-represented in positions of authority and over-represented in low-paid and low-status work. Women still do the overwhelming majority of household and relationship labour, even if they engage in as many hours of paid work as their male partners. Cultural constructions of what sex is supposed to be like are still organised around the titillation and pleasure of men. Girls continue to be encouraged to see themselves as pretty objects rather than capable and valuable human beings.

The radical feminist ‘we told you so’ muscle, it would appear, has never been deprived of exercise, and the collective memory of an earlier point in women’s liberation when we could have left men’s negotiating table and gone to war with them instead, possibly leading to a quite different 2018, reverberates through the present. So when trans-positive feminists argue that transwomen pose no threat to cis women’s liberation, that the phantom menace of transwomen’s violence against cis women is a fabrication, that trans people exhibit every defining attribute of a seriously structurally oppressed group which merits immediate and full support, that patriarchal cultural paradigms fall even more violently on the heads of trans people than on cis women (a difficult reality to imagine), anti-trans feminists don’t hear a word of it. What they do hear is the same old stories proceeding from the same old ignorance.

The Intersectionality Problem
Trans-positive feminists will find that account grating on a number of levels, beginning with the most obvious one: transwomen aren not men! This raises yet another complex and difficult theoretical problem: many feminisms (still) have a massive intersectionality problem, which in some cases extends to seeing transwomen as men. Virtually all feminists will allow that there are lots of different ways of being a woman, but there remains an impulse to draw a line around the feminist subject – around who feminism is really about. A lot of us have come to see the experience of moving through the world as a transwoman, including being assigned male at birth and being gendered ‘boy’ and ‘man’ for much of one’s life, as one amongst many iterations of what being a woman in the world can be. But a lot of others have not. To anti-trans feminists, it feels too much like the boys locking us out of their club and then accusing us of being sexist if we keep them out of ours. It feels like hypocrisy disguised as democracy.

If we try to understand this purely by reference to concepts and categories, we will inevitably come up short. Thinking is inextricable from feeling, and anti-trans thought on the question of gender categories is rooted not only in theory, but in anxiety which emerged in the 1970s and has amplified exponentially to become the dangerous ideology we see today: anxiety that if we give an inch, misogynists will take a mile; anxiety that if we expand who it is feminism’s business to liberate, then (cis) women will remain on the back burner, being abused, silenced, beaten, raped, and murdered indefinitely; anxiety that this debate is yet another appeal to women’s compassion which will be weaponised against us. If we really want to understand what is at the heart of this issue, we cannot just immerse ourselves in sex and gender theory and deny that affinity, aversion, excitement, hope, love, anger, frustration, and even trauma – and their reverberations and amplifications across historical time – shape what and how we think. The way that we deliberate, reason, frame reality, and situate the present in the context of our narratives of the past emerges from our emotional relationships with ideologies and other people, and if we want an answer to the question ‘how can self-proclaimed feminists be anti-trans?’, then the entanglement of reasoning, emotion, (sub)cultural narratives, and time is the place we should be looking.

No problem can be solved unless it is first understood. The persistence of anti-transgender ideology and feeling in feminism is a serious problem, but one which we can do a better job of understanding. This is not a call for transpeople to attempt to empathise with, or even understand, the interior lives of people who advocate their continued oppression (and in some cases would settle for nothing less than their annihilation). What it does mean is that those of us who are not ourselves trans must bear the brunt of this work. It is men’s responsibility to dismantle patriarchy, it is up to White people to demolish racism, to colonisers to decolonise, and to cis people to take down transphobia.

 

Lisa Kalayji is a final-year PhD student in sociology at the University of Edinburgh. She researches the emotion culture of British radical feminism, and the sociologies of emotions and affect. @LisaKalayji

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    April 04, 2018

    I am a radical feminist who was active in the second wave of feminism, so-called after our realisation of the extent of radical action taken by the suffragettes.
    I dont recognise our analysis in your article above, and suggest that readers investigate actual radical feminist sources such as ‘trangender trend’ and ‘Fair Play For Women and Girls’, and attend one of the many open meetings to discuss the issues arising from the trans phenomena, organised by women under the broad titles: A Womans Place, and We Need To Talk.

    We Radical Feminists recognise the oppression of women by men, under the social system of Patriarchy.

    We define women as adult human females and realise that the control and exploitation of our sexual and reproductive capacities are the lynchpin of our subjugation.

    The normalisation of our oppression is promulgated by male supremacist ideology, most notably in pornography and religion which together operate to imprison womens expression and identity.

    The wider culture of sex role stereotyping produces the social environs within which the notion of gender has emerged, as a collection of sex role specific expectations and behaviours.
    Passivity, deference, sexual availability and such like are characteristic of femininity, which is a loaded political construction of social norms expected from women.

    The fact that some males cannot or do not wish to conform to masculinity does not render them women, since they are not and can never be, adult human females.

    Women are so much more than females without penises, so much more than female eunuchs.

    We refuse to be appropriated and diminished, reduced to this parody of our oppression.

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      April 09, 2018

      I have attended such a meeting, and the atmosphere was charged with hatred and aggression towards TRANS people, and misinformation. I have to say that I left this meeting halfway through the day, feeling that I was lucky to escape in one piece.

      As for your definition of what a woman is, do you suggest a gynaecology inspection of everyone who attends one of these meetings, or should someone like myself wear a pink triangle so there is no mistake ?! There was another group in the 1930’s who also wanted to seperate society based upon on physical features and characteristics.

      However If a room full of Rad Fems can not spot just one Trans person amongst them, it does not bode well for your the very arguments you are attempting to push. My presence at such a meeting makes a mockery of all the claims which you call debate. Debate and discussion is not a means to remove the rights others have already gained.

      We only have to look at Womens Place point 2 to see the reality that Radical Feminsim is trying to reduce the current rights of Trans people.

      Point 2

      “The principle of women-only spaces to be upheld – and where necessary extended”

      As a final note, when I was in the Rad Fem conference I asked some of the people around me if they had ever met a Trans person. The most common answer to this question was no. Can you see the irony in that answer, especially at a Rad Fem conference when they are talking to a Trans person. #thinkingnotsodifferently @Conwayhall

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        July 02, 2018

        Have you ever been shamed or part of a society that forces menstruating women to live separate from humans born with penises? This STILL occurs in the world. Do you fear the social ramifications of pregnancy for the past two millennia? Trans women have their rights, I totally believe. But there is scientific basis that irrefutably proves that the experience and biology is no where near the same of a biological woman with a uterus. What are your breast and uterine cancer statistics? Do you suffer menopause? This is the worst form of cultural appropriation because of patriarchal norms. We don’t have choices – even if they are against our very soul and understanding of our being. I feel for the trans struggle. But it is separate from a biological female. This is the beginning of the downfall. Patriarchy is cinsum9ng itself to appropriate advantages that were supposed to help women. Perhaps proving that any system other than merit based is inherently flawed – though cronyism overlooks merit. We return to patriarchy. Man is corrupt and always at war because the male is always in charge – and now claiming to be biologically female because of just their generals? Progressives should be ashamed by this bastardization of the female experience. This isn’t Labour or Conservative. It IS biology and history! Trans women should not be catorgorized female. The biology is NOT the same – so the reality is not!

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          September 16, 2018

          Not the same. Not lesser either. Every experience of womanhood is unique. As a cis woman, the rad fem appropriation of my experience, used to oppress another minority group… that is sickening to me. My menstrual difficulties and shame – which have been legion – are not invalidated by another woman’s struggle. Don’t presume to speak for me

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          December 14, 2018

          Please learn to spell. Correct spelling would improve your credibility enormously.

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      April 10, 2018

      Thank you. So much more sense and truth in your comment than in the post.

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      July 04, 2018

      Cos woman here:

      Thank you for your battles. Thank you for your fight, which has allowed women of my generation (30-40y.o.) to be able to do whatever we want of our lives. I understand that not having lived your struggle makes it difficult for us to understand the origin of your strong position in this matter.

      But, perhaps it is time for women of your generation and ideology to retire, and to take your hatred with you. Men have changed, society has changed. I teach teenagers, and I can see that for them it is easier to talk about gender diversity, changing roles… We don’t need to hammer into girls’ heads that they can do whatever they want with their lives, they already know it and give it for granted; we don’t need to teach the boys that the girls have their same rights and responsibilities as humans, they don’t question it, it is a fact for them. I can see that when these kids reach adulthood they will be one step ahead of where we are now.

      While women have reached equality in western societies (yes we have! Some of us just make different choices with our lives than some men do, and we shouldn’t apologized for it) trans, and gender fluid people are still discriminated against even in our society. We (women) should be the first ones who understand what it means to be discriminated against, and be supportive of other groups who are struggling.

      A woman who doesn’t have the biological characteristics but identifies and presents helself to the world as a woman, is a woman…. What of a woman who is born without a uterus, or who doesn’t have “reproductive capacities”… Is she still a woman in your view? What of one who only has developed one breast? Half a woman???

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      September 16, 2018

      I thought the author was very generous. I have read the sources you mentioned; they sickened me. The rhetoric of those groups is genuinely disturbing. As a cis woman I’m far more frightened of your favoured groups than I am of any trans people.

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      October 27, 2018

      @K8 Monsta – I totally agree with you and also note that the original post does not even recognize the existence of Visionary Feminists who have yet more nuanced views on this and other subjects. I just got pilloried on Instagram for questioning the trendiness of pro-Trans rights movements and suggesting tht it has rather appropriated efforts that I personally wish to continue expending on the as-yet-unfinished work of achieving equal rights for women! I do believe tht there is some gender fluidity, whether of biology, brain chemistry, or some other form of conscious identification and while I don’t wish to discriminate against such people, neither do I consider Trans “women” to be women, nor Trans “men” to be men. They are every to be hyphenated as Trans-women and Trans-men. I don’t see why we couldn’t have third bathrooms for the gender fluid or those who don’t mind using uni-sex facilities, but I also don’t think it’s wrong for women/men to want their own dedicated public facilities either. Perhaps we should just have one bathroom for everyone, and simultaneously end the practice of the communal piss trough that men have to endure (if I were a guy, this would be a pet peeve of mine – why I should have to openly piss next to another dude?) Anyway, it’s totally false to say that feminists who do not see the Trans struggle as an issue they want to accept as part of the women’s liberation lineage are motivated by hate. I am certainly not motivated by hate and have known many Trans people, both pre- and post-op. The issue that concerns me is correct diagnosis and not just willy-nilly adoption of the Trans identity. I remember Satanic Panic in the 80s where there was a huge trend of people “recovering” repressed memories of satanic ritual abuse, 99% of which turned out to be delusions, often implanted by the very therapists who were charged with helping troubled adults. I also remember the “Modern Primitives” movement of the 1990s wherein mostly white urbanite reverted to tribal practices involving extreme branding, tattooing, scarification, imitations of the Native American sundance ordeal of hanging from flesh hooks and other extreme forms of physical self-mutilation. Many of the practitioners claimed to be responding to past-lives. There was also the alien abduction trend. My point is that I do not believe that the majority of those identifying as Trans today are truly intersex on either a physiological or psychological level. I feel that many if not most are suffering from gender dysmorophia, similar to anorexia in that it involves a delusion about your body. Others are those who have long been engaged in a confused battle over their sexuality and identity, who now in the permissive, even trendy age of Trans, have latched onto this ID as it gives a built-in nobility of purpose to their confused explorations. The issue to stick up for here is not, as shallow thinkers would have it, that Trans people have “rights”, but rather that we need as a society to spend a LOT more money on mental health services and making sure that people get the right diagnosis and don’t assume the mantle of a disorder they don’t even have in order to find sanctuary in an identity. If it’s true, as I have evidence in support of, that “compassionate” therapists are doing lots of damage by encouraging confused people to have unnecessary surgery in order to resolve conflicts within their personality, then the real problem is to stop that from happening, not focusing on whether or not male penis-amputees can use the ladies’ room at airports. What I find interesting about the unquestioningly pro Trans rights advocates is that they seem unable to extend their logic to support “trans-racial” people like Rachel Donezal who say that race is a construct, a choice, even a lie. For some reason it seems obvious that a person who did not genetically extend from, nor was raised in the midst of a family with an African-American culture, cannot legitimately identify as African-American, in the eyes of most, particularly African-Americans. Yet to say this of a trans-woman, that is, an ex-man, is somehow considered hate speech. Once again, women who dare to stick up for women, yes biological women, as a distinct class of people on earth, are villfied. It’s not enough that we sympathize with the ex-men, and ex-women, for their unique struggle, no we must actually pretend they have done the impossible, by virtue of surgical technology, and actually transformed their gender to other than that of their birth. But they have not! Who am I to understand why someone would identify with a different body than their own? A different race than their own? Maybe it’s no different than changing religions! What I do know is this: a Trans-woman is not a woman, s/he is a Trans-woman, ditto a Trans-man. Yes these distinctions are important. Not for purposes of discrimination but purely for the sake of accuracy in language, which is something I feel passionately about.

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    April 04, 2018

    Feminists are indeed concerned with ‘female-to-male’ trans-identified women and girls. If you look at the websites of 4thwavenow, Transgender Trend or Lily Maynard (to name but three) you will see numerous articles concerned with how transgenderism affects females: most notably in its worship of stereotypes and gender conformity (changing bodies to fit personalities). It is not a question of being ‘anti trans’: that’s a very simplistic view. Feminists are less concerned with male-to-female trans-identified men because feminism is not about men. I hope this helps.

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      September 16, 2018

      Anti trans feminists are concerned. Not all feminists. As a trans inclusive feminist I don’t appreciate being lumped in with transphobes. Thanks.

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    April 04, 2018

    Firstly the debate about All Women Shortlists is mischaracterised. The Labour party has always allowed trans women who had legally changed sex. The debate is over self identified trans women – ie legal males and whether they should be able to access women’s shortlists.

    Secondly the characterisation of feminism as either ‘trans positive’ or as ‘anti-trans feminism’ is clearly biased and moreover inaccurate. Someone who is pro rights for Palestine is not automatically called anti Semitic by anyone – other than Zionists trying to sling mud, as you are trying to do.

    Feminists are by this very name clearly concerned with the rights of female people. Female means the sex of the species that produces eggs. It is only in the last 10-20 years that the idea a sperm producing person can be called female has arisen.

    Being pro the rights of egg producing people does not mean one is anti the rights of sperm producing people or trans people. Some trans people are egg producers.

    Liberal feminists (who you dub trans positive) include in their feminism trans people who produce sperm. However they exclude trans people who produce eggs. Therefore half of of trans people are included and half excluded.

    Radical feminists include in their feminism trans people who produce eggs. However they exclude trans people who produce sperm. Therefore half of trans people are included and half excluded.

    It is interesting then that you dub one as trans positive one as trans negative given they both include the same number of trans people. The difference is the factor determining inclusion :feelings versus physical reality. Liberal feminists’ see woman as a feelings, an open category that can include any human regardless of physical features – literally indefinable. Radical feminists see woman as an adult human female – or one who produces eggs. This is the dictionary definition.

    The historical split in these two strands is largely down to the development of post modernism. Liberal feminism embraces this doctrine which has effected universities and society and like a modern type of metaphysics states that words mean what you want them to mean. That reality doesn’t really exist, that morality is relative, that science is colonialist and oppressive and that knowledge is best determined by asking oppressed people about how they feel and lived experience.

    Whereas the values of the enlightenment are those which inform radical feminists – the idea that physical reality exists and that we can find out information about the world through sceientific and scientific methods. That words can be defined and have meanings. That all definitions by their very nature exclude other definitions.

    I see post modernism as a regressive religious doctrine which takes us back to the dark ages. It is to me exemplified by the Monty Python sketch about determining who is a witch – by seeing if they weigh the same as a duck.

    So the clash between liberal and radical feminsim is as I see it the age old clash between religion and science. Just as the Pope saw Galileo’s discovery that the earth goes round the sun as anti- Catholic and heretical – worthy of punishment, you see the scientific definition of male and female I’m humans as anti-trans and presumingly deserving of being dismissed.

    The Catholic church finally had to capitulate to scientific discovery and has survived nonetheless. Likewise trans people can also accept science and survive. It is perfectly possible for trans people to accept that their feeling do not change physical reality but they are still entitled to the right to present and modify their bodies as they wish.

    It is possible for society to accept trans people without having to believe in magic. Trans women are male and always will be and that’s ok. Society can accept that some males wish to resemble women and should be well treated whilst realising that some spaces need to be seperated by reference to physical reality rather than feelings.

    Eggs producers and sperm producers have different needs and sometimes need different spaces. Insisting that sperm producers have the right to demand access to the spaces of egg producers regardless of the feelings of the egg producers is tyrannical. It’s like the lord of the manor claiming he has the right to enter his labourers cottages at any time – droit de seigneur.

    The fact its couched in terms of being a civil rights movement is a red herring. No other civil rights movement has trampled over the rights of an oppressed group or allows an oppressor to claim oppressed status on the basis of his feelings. In all other arenas this idea is rejected. A white person can not claim to be black, a grown man can not claim to be a child, a rich man can not claim he is a poor man on the basis of his say so alone. Only in the realm of sex is it being suggested that any male can claim he is female and demand to be accepted as such? Magic it seems is only allowed to exist in certain places – where it exclusively benefits males.

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      April 08, 2018

      Calm, fact based, undeniable. Thank you.

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        April 10, 2018

        Totally agree with Tess.

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        September 16, 2018

        I think we must have each read different comments because it struck me as incoherent and extremely biased. The author used the term ‘anti-trans feminist’ because it is accurate, because normal feminists do not like to be associated with transphobia, and because anti trans feminists bizarrely react badly to the descriptive term TERF.

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      April 09, 2018

      You’re saying that if you don’t produce eggs, you’re not a woman.

      Surely you can see this as both ridiculous (meaning that all post-menopausal people; all those who for whatever medical, developmental, hormonal etc reason do not “produce eggs” are not women?!) and very effectively doing the work of patriarchy by further reducing women to their reproductive function. “Do you ovulate? No? Then I’m afraid you’ll have to find another group, you’re not welcome here!”

      (I’d hope that anyone could see this language/concept as ridiculous, regardless of their other views, but for me this is just yet another example of desperate grasping at simplistic and inaccurate biological claims in order to justify trans-exclusive practices.)

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        May 20, 2018

        Not at all. Post menopausal women have produced eggs. That they have gone through the menopause is evidence of this. Whether their eggs worked is irrelevant female people are born with eggs inside them.
        Describing something is not reducing it to only the definition. A dentist is an expert in teeth. I am not implying a dentist had nothing more to them than their career. I am describing one aspect of a person – their profession.

        Woman is defined as adult human female and female is defined as the class of a species that produces eggs. Woman and man describe a persons reproductive potential nothing more. Whether or not you choose to acknowledge that difference it still continues to exist.

        To be sex blind negates the ability to talk about sexism just as to claim to be colourblind negates the ability to talk about racism. It is you who are doing the patriarchy’s work for them by erasing both biological reality and the oppression women face because of that reality. You are the one denying biology like how a creationist denies evolution.

        If woman is not a class of reproductive category in humans then what is it? You don’t have an answer to that do you? If you can’t even define what youre talking about then how can you expect to be taken seriously?

        Your idea of woman is a collection of sexist stereotypes or an unprovable feeling in a persons head. A person belief about themselves does not override reality – unless you’re religious.

        It is not trans exclusive practices feminists seek to continue – it is male exclusive ones. All female people are welcome.

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          July 04, 2018

          So, next time I want to ask someone who looks like a woman how they view their role in society,I should start by asking them the following:
          -do you, or have you ever produced eggs?
          -do you have the capacity to reproduce with a fully working, authentic, female reproductive system?
          – have you ever produced sperm?

          A person who identifies socially as a woman and who is perceived by others as a woman, would be equally subjected to similar experiences as a cis-woman, with the added issues of being transgender.

          Also, we exist in society not as isolated identities, we exist with other entities and should be able to share space with them. I have always been suspicious of “men only groups” and we have seen online how much these groups lead often to misogynistic discourse. Equally, why would we need to discuss in a sphere which exclude whatever is strictly not categorised as “adult female = producing eggs”, rather than being inclusive?

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        July 02, 2018

        The fact that trans women do not have to deal with menopause makes biological dissimilar in all biological ways!

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      August 03, 2018

      Perhaps you are living in the UK and just weren’t aware, but here in the U.S. there IS a disturbing transracial movement. It’s only in it’s infancy but it is steadily gaining more acceptance. Read about Rachel Dolezal, a white woman claiming to be black. She was even in charge of a local NAACP chapter. Despite later admitting she was born white she still has her supporters. They believe she can be black purely on self-identification.

      I know this isn’t to do with the article or your overall message, but just wanted to clarify all this. And again this is only something I see in the U.S. and have no idea if it’s happening across the pond. Or even in Canada for that matter.

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    April 04, 2018

    As with post-modernist theorists and identity politics in general this writer fails to understand that radical feminism has an analysis of power, based in material reality, it is very far from a set of feelings. Consciousness raising, invented by Second Wave feminists, used personal experience and feelings to understand our collective situation as women ie the personal is political. That gave us insights into, not only our individual situations but also a political theory and consequently political action. Whilst not espousing biological determinism, because the radical feminist analysis sees gender as socially built onto biological class, it does recognise the lived reality of living in a female body and the way that the oppression of women is worked out on those female bodies and via a system that stigmatises and disempowers those who are biologically female. Trans people gave a different lived reality and a different form of oppression. Trans people who identify as women have neither the biological reality of the female body nor the experience of being raised a girl in a society that devalues and subverts the female. They are not women by any meaningful definition of the word women. That is not to say that they aren’t entitled to name and organise against their own oppression, but women are also entitled to name and organise together against theirs. You need to understand the radical feminist analysis of patriarchy in order to understand what radical feminism us about. This author clearly doesn’t.

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      May 23, 2018

      The thing is this didn’t used to be radical. The idea that gender is a social construct, and needs to be abolished, was the cornerstone of basic feminism until women’s studies departments began to be merged with “gender studies.” The only social theory in which the biological nature of women’s oppression – i.e. reproduction – is viewed as false is queer theory. Your arguments will never make sense to trans activist because because queer theory in and of itself is brutally individualistic. Identifying as the opposite sex does nothing to stop patriarchy because you can’t identify out of patriarchy – your personal feelings are irrelevant. Although second-wave feminism, and today radical feminism, does talk about the emotions of women, it ANALYSIS does not REST on those emotions and identity as the sole mover of social change, as does trans ideology. True feminism rests on reality within a class analysis, not every person’s individual account of their own identities. An example is when trans “men” insist that saying “people get pregnant” is somehow subversive and helpful within feminism. Given that when trans “men” get pregnant they are still subject to the same patriarchal medical establishment that has twisted child birth according to a male system of health care, all they have done is made it difficult to talk about this sex-based oppression by obscuring the fact that WOMEN get pregnant. So, it doesn’t matter how they “feel” or “identity,” they are still female and are still treated as such, and are only making it more difficult to address women’s oppression by denying that sex matters.

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      May 28, 2018

      Yup

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    > they have a lot less to say on the issue of trans men, except that they are women who have sought to embody the male privilege that they could not readily access otherwise

    This is false. You are just parrotting anti-feminist trans agitprop when you claim that feminists have not paid attention to transmen. I have a copy of the second edition of The Transsexual Empire and the author spends several pages discussing Leslie Feinberg’s Stone Butch Blues. That was already in 1994. When Leslie Feinberg died in 2014, her death was widely discussed by radical feminists in the blogosphere and the vlogosphere, who needless to say blamed her death on her transition. Their comments showed that these feminist dykes were very well informed about the specifics of the f2m transition process:

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.nl/2014/11/leslie-feinberg-murdered.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe2Xr9TX6kA

    Contemporary anti-trans tendencies in radical feminism are very much driven by the alarmingly increasing amounts of dysphoric girls being pushed to become transmen, and the assumption that these girls are dykes who are pushed to become transmen because a homophobic society wants to “trans away the gay”:

    https://www.transgendertrend.com/surprising-referrals-children-tavistock-clinic-continue-soar/

    So the claim that anti-trans feminism does not concern itself with transmen is definitely not true. Anti-trans feminists who are lesbians are deeply disturbed by the idea that a homophobic society would push young girls who refuse to be femme to go and become boys instead. The very visceral reaction that many of these anti-trans dykes have towards transpeople comes from the realization that, had they been born in this day and age, they themselves might have been pushed to become transmen.

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    I think this is a really balanced piece – it definitely helps me understand the anti-trans perspective a little more, if not empathise with it (I like the separation of the two – it’s a helpful way to think about it).

    It’s interesting that the anti-trans perspective can frame the trans-positive perspective as lacking knowledge of “herstory” when trans-positive feminists could make the same challenge back – I regularly see trans women of colour being erased by anti-trans feminists when talking about LGBT history. Trans women of colour were fundamental in the fight for LGBT rights, and the T has been fundamentally present in queer history.

    I wanted to comment to offset the usual anti-trans agitation I can see present in the other comments, with wilful misunderstanding of what “self id” means, reduction of gender down to reproductive function, and links to propaganda groups such as “transgender trend” (a name that gives itself away before one has even looked) although it could be said that many of those comments rather prove your point.

    Ultimately I cannot agree with a feminism which would forcibly identify me as a woman purely because I have a certain set of reproductive equipment. I don’t feel like that’s a progressive way of looking at either gender or sex. I might be oppressed due to my genital configuration and reproductive capacity, but I am not defined by them – and I think it should be a fundamental part of trans-positive/intersectional feminism to be able to recognise that.

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    April 09, 2018

    Disappointed, but not surprised, to see a lot of anti-trans comments on this article dressed up as “reasonable” argument. Some of these rely on particular ideological commitments of the kind that Kalayji examines in her piece, while others are grounded in factual inaccuracies about the current state of trans-inclusive feminism and/or the function of the law.

    To respond in brief to a few points:

    – Being trans does not mean we conform to stereotypes. Some trans women and men do, just as some cis women and men do. Some trans people are non-binary or genderqueer.

    – Trans feminism seeks to promote a world in which no-one is restrained by gender norms, in which the minority of us who need to change our bodies can do so, but more widely people are free to express and explore themselves as we wish (my writing on this several years ago: https://ruthpearce.net/2011/04/11/mission-statement/).

    – No-one is “pushing” anyone to become trans. In my extensive experiences of trans communities as a community member and as a researcher, I most commonly see people encouraging others to think, explore, maybe experiment with clothing before taking any further steps. It is immensely difficult to get access to NHS gender identity services in the UK, with waits of months or years. If someone manages to actually get a first appointment at one of these institutions, they must navigate a process of gatekeeping in order to “prove” themselves sufficiently trans to medical providers. This difficulty is intensified for young people, who must insistently and consistently assert themselves to be trans over the course of many years in order to access treatment. As for the idea that parents would prefer children to be trans than gay, that’s completely inaccurate – on the contrary, trans adolescents are frequently asked, “why can’t you just be gay?”

    – As a trans feminist, I agree that women are oppressed as a “sex class”. What trans-exclusionary feminisms miss is that trans women are oppressed as members of this sex class. If we pass as cis women we are mistreated accordingly. If we do not, we risk being violently punished for our perceive femininity. And regardless, from a young age we internalise the sexist messages society constantly promotes the role and value of women. This is not just about reproduction. It’s about how women are perceived relative to men. Women who do not or cannot reproduce are also subject to sexism.

    – Trans feminism is absolutely concerned with the rights and needs of both trans and cis people who produce eggs. This is why so many of us are involved in pro-choice campaigns, access to reproductive technologies etc. Moreover, reproductive activists and trans activists (and intersex activists, who are often sidelined in these debates) share an interest in campaigns around bodily autonomy. This can be a point for unity rather than division.

    – Sex is not binary. Gender is not binary. Not all women have XX chromosomes. Not all women have wombs. Not all women menstruate. Not all women can give birth. Not all women have breasts. Girls (including trans girls) share in the experience of being raised under patriarchy, but have very different experiences of girlhood and socialisation, shaped by factors such as class, dis/ability, racialisation, religion etc. Building a feminism that is about more than eggs and sperm and the assumption of shared girlhood benefits all women.

    – Leslie Feinberg died of Lyme disease. I would recommend that people interested in the tragic circumstances around hir death actually read what sie had to say about hir own experiences in hir final years. Sie was a victim of the misogynistic and classist medical system, a topic sie wrote about extensively in hir later years. I’m profoundly disturbed that people would use hir death to peddle inaccurate claims about the “dangers of transition” in a manner that both seeks to ignore and override hir lived experience and detracts from the actual challenges sie faced.

    – Here’s brief primer on what the current (and proposed) gender recognition laws do and don’t actually do: http://www.transmediawatch.org/Documents/Gender%20Recognition%20The%20Facts.pdf

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      September 16, 2018

      Thank you for your reasoned response.

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    April 09, 2018

    There are some complicated points being raised here, so it might be helpful, especially for readers less initiated in these debates, to clarify a few things:

    Sex vs gender: ‘Sex’ refers to anatomical attributes (chromosomes, reproductive anatomy, and what are called ‘secondary’ sex characteristics such as body hair, fat distribution on the body, and other traits which are generally but not universally sex dimorphic). ‘Gender’ refers to the social roles of ‘girl/boy’ and ‘man/woman’, and since the emergence of non-binary identities, others such as agender, bigender, and genderqueer. Crucially, the binary model of both of these is a human invention. A significant proportion of the human population is ‘intersex’, meaning they have physical attributes of both sexes (this is sometimes chromosomal only), and they are not accounted for in the binary sex model. Additionally, natural scientists could have determined that there were, say, six sexes, and counted various levels of particular hormones or variations in secondary sex characteristics as totally distinct sex categories. That there are only two sexes is a human notion which could have been otherwise, and the same goes, obviously, for gender.

    To clear a misconception articulated in one of the comments above, feminisms are social movements concerned with the abolition of patriarchal gender norms. I refer to feminisms in the plural because there are many of them, they differ widely by locality, context, history, and ideology, and any generalisation about feminism writ large is necessarily inaccurate (and usually represents White, middle-class, heterosexual, cisgender, colonial, and able-bodied women’s highly culturally visible feminism as the measure of what feminism ‘officially’ is). The piece I’ve written here is about a specific sub-feminism, and, crucially, one which is changing shape as we speak. As I mentioned, anti-transgender feminist thought in Britain (and other local contexts where feminism is ideologically very similar, such as the US and Australia) is rooted in radical feminist theory and ideas, but increasing numbers of self-identified radical feminists are finding space to rethink their feminist theory in order to allow for the legitimation of trans identities.

    The question of trans inclusion in or exclusion from feminism has hinged on three issues: (1) women-only space and activist organising, (2) sex/gender essentialism, and (3) the specificities of the local historical contexts in which feminist thought has taken shape in relation to feminists’ own daily lived realities, experiences, thoughts, feelings, observations, and struggles. With respect to each of these:
    (1) Anti-trans feminist thought emerged from frustrations with misogyny within activism, a problem which persists today. One of the consequences of feminists’ need for spaces free of men was that collaboration, community, and relationships between women became a profound source of highly politicsed emotional nourishment (this is how we got ‘political lesbianism’ during the ‘second wave’, with many women making a conscious choice to become lesbians because they wanted their emotional and sexual energies to benefit other women rather than men). As a result, the women-only space took on a sort of sanctity within feminism, and who gets past the threshold of a space designated women-only continues to be at the heart of many controversies about where trans women should be allowed to go (this includes the common disputes about bathrooms, but includes other women-only activist groups, which anti-trans feminists think should be free of anyone who has ever benefited from male privilege, including trans women who were gendered ‘boy’ and ‘man’ earlier in their lives, before they transitioned).
    (2) Both sides of the dispute are largely concerned with the idea of ‘essentialism’. Essentialism is the claim that our personal attributes and senses of self (including our gender identities) and our anatomical characteristics are directly correlated in the way that patriarchal society (and patriarchal health science) say they are: male-bodied people have masculine personal traits and ‘naturally’ think of themselves as boys and men, and female-bodied people have feminine personal traits and ‘naturally’ think of themselves as girls and women. (Feminists’ opposition to this idea is succinctly captured in the slogan ‘biology is not destiny’.) Both sides of the debate accuse one another of essentialism. Anti-trans feminists say that trans people wouldn’t feel inclined to transition unless they believed that a ‘feminine’ personality had to be housed in a female body and a ‘masculine’ one in a male body, and therefore that trans people are essentialist. Trans-positive feminists say that forcing people to accept the sex and gender designations that are prescribed for them by a patriarchal sex and gender binary which assigns personal identities based on body parts at time of birth conforms exactly to the patriarchal sex/gender binary, and so is itself essentialist.
    (3) Which brings me to the third point, and the one most often glossed over: the historical context in which anti-trans feminism emerged. ‘Second wave’ British feminism (and some other, similar ones) emerged in the mid-20th century, in liberal democratic countries a couple of decades after World War II. The norms and value systems of these contexts were liberal, ostensibly (though obviously not actually) egalitarian, and capitalist. What that meant for feminist activists was that they had to frame their claim to liberation from oppression in a way which would work in that specific context – they had to justify why it was ‘common sense’ according to the moral logic of their society that subjugating women on the basis of their gender was wrong. In that particular context, the social movement framing strategy that would strike the right chord would have to be one that would resonate with the underpinning moral logics of democracy, capitalism, and egalitarianism. What consequently made sense at the time was a social movement discourse predicated on the idea that women are not in any way inherently inferior to or less capable than men (or otherwise put, that having a female body did not make women any less worthy of full and equal recognition of their rights, capabilities, and democratic subjecthood than men). A similar logic prevailed in the radical social movements of the 1960s and ’70s, alongside which radical feminism emerged – though these movements were generally anti-capitalist, they subscribed to a more radical version of the idea that all human beings are equal human subjects and should not be subjugated, and they took this idea more seriously than their capitalist counterparts. In either case, though, it was important for feminists to reject the idea that ‘biology is destiny’. What happened as a result was that as transpeople’s experiences have shown that the body does have something to do with our senses of self (though we don’t really understand exactly how this works, as any epistemically responsible medical doctor, psychoanalyst, or social scientist will acknowledge), anti-trans feminists have rejected that reality – not because it’s not true, but because it doesn’t reconcile with the framing strategy adopted by the ‘second wave’ in order to meet the demands of their specific place and time in history. (We see something similar today with sexual orientation, where people who experience some degree of elective control over their sexualities are silenced by some segments of the LGB rights movement, because that movement committed early on, due to the values of the contexts in which it emerged, to the claim that LGB people are ‘born this way’ – not all of us are ‘born this way’, but that is the framing strategy the movement went with, and some segments of it are sticking to that whether it accurately describes all queer people’s experience or not.)

    What we see in anti-trans feminism, then, is not sound gender theory, but a historically-rooted, entrenched commitment to the idea that genders, identities, senses of self, and lived experiences cannot and should not have anything to do with our bodies, because if we acknowledge that they do to some degree, then we are undermining the feminist claim that women’s bodies are not an encumbrance to our ability to function as legitimate, full democratic subjects. Trans-positive feminism does not capitulate to this patriarchal discursive hostage situation (‘if your body is in any way linked to your selfhood, then we get to oppress you’): it is based on a political claim that freedom from encumbrance, oppression, and non-consensual control is rooted in our status as human beings. It recognises that basing a demand for freedom from oppression on an insistence that what bodies we have should not matter to or affect our sense of self in any way is merely a concession to capitalism’s claim that human value is rooted in productivity, to ableism’s claim of the same, and to colonial claims that people who are represented as being heavily associated with bodies (consistently the oppressed, including colonised peoples, peoples of colour, the disabled, and women) are inherently inferior and ought to be oppressed.

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      July 07, 2018

      Thank you. This SO HELPFUL.

      I found this piece because I was googling around for explanations for why this particular brand of radical feminism seems to have taken such deep root in England in particular. Not that we don’t have it at all in the US, but it just does not seem to have made it so much or so intensely into the twenty-first century.

      I’m not a scholar on this subject, but just based on my own sense and experience: In the queer/lesbian feminist context in the US, we had these “debates” about the status of trans people in “our” communities/spaces like 15 years ago, a vanguard saw quickly that it was fine/awesome, and it didn’t take long benforce it was really hard to even find anyone under the age of 60 espousing the anti-trans rad fem position. It just doesn’t happen that feminists— esp lesbian feminists—I encounter in the US surprise me by holding this kind of view. But at this point so many British feminists have that here I am googling around for some explanatory ethnography.

      Anyway, if you have any work/insights on this subject, I’m all ears.

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      November 19, 2018

      Beautifully and thoughtfully written, Ms. Kalayji. I would add one observation that, in the States at least, feminist activists of the Second Wave took a priori the idea that women weren’t in any biologically inferior to men. I expect many of us simply perceived it as you’ve noted: “common sense.” In SEXUAL POLITICS Kate Millett states what by now is obvious, but was at the time revolutionary: What kinds of differences actually ARE innate among men and women? Millett’s response was simple and brilliant, “No one can possibly have any idea of what differences there are between men and women until everyone in the world is treated differently, that is, as equals.” And Millett thought of something else in her memoir, FLYING, about her life in the aftermath of SEX POL’s publication. In this anecdote she’s living in London and goes out for a night on the town with a straight married couple who are her hosts. They visit a drag show at which Millet experiences an insight but doesn’t–to my way of thinking–analyze it thoroughly enough. Her perception is that drag reflects a profound mockery of woman as Other. (Margaret Atwood has also written about this phenomenon.) It is something to consider. And it is perhaps what influences anti-trans radical feminists to believe that transgenderism, like drag, is rooted in various forms of self- and Other- hatreds. Like everything else under the sun, drag became politicized around 1972 and out of it emerged–at least in part–some non-binary modes of thinking and being. It seems to me that these ideas are still works in progress and are still sending many of us to opposing sides of the same damn barricade,

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    April 10, 2018

    A lot of anti-trans arguments assert a binary division where:
    – a man is a human with a penis and XY chromosomes
    – a woman is a human with a womb and XX chromosomes
    and focus on the power imbalance (and consequent abuse) of the first group over the second.

    Any attempt to make the line between these groups fuzzy gets rejected: intersex people are ‘irrelevant’, trans people need psychological help, etc. The idea that these various people form additional groups that have been oppressed by both ‘men’ and ‘women’ groups is denied absolutely. In part because they are seen as a new thing; certainly, school biology texts make the division of humans into man=penis and woman=womb look very simple and certain.

    But… The reality is that throughout history, even to present day, many cultures have sought to quietly eradicate, deny and/or conceal anyone who fails to conform to the binary. Feminists who uphold the binary are perpetuating this great injustice; even if they claim not to be anti-trans, very often the binary definition seems to boil down to: “If you were born with a penis, you are (and will always be) a man.”

    I find it quite bizarre, really, that so many anti-trans feminists seem perfectly happy with the idea that possession of a penis doesn’t determine sexual orientation, but emphatically refute the suggestion that possession of a penis doesn’t determine gender identity.

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      July 04, 2018

      I totally agree!!

      I am a teacher (female) in Australia, and we are all so careful at making sure everyone feels accepted and respected, and we try to moderate and foster open discussion. We see the difficulties that teenagers who are in the process of finding out who (or what gender) they are go through.

      We often talk in schools about how one of the stupidest issues is the persistence of segregated toilets, when in Sweden for example (where half of my family lives) they don’t have them anymore in public spaces. There are only the “normal access” toilets, and the “facilitated access” ones, which cuts off the problem at the source.

      I can’t believe what some of these women are saying!!!
      I hope they are all part of the older generation of radical feminism from the 70s, I can’t see a woman of my age thinking this way, and admittedly, it is because women of my generation have not had to battle as much as these previous feminists had to do. But it is truly radicalisation, and it is time it got ushered out of the door…

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    May 28, 2018

    “the first-ever appearance of a trans person on BBC Question Time.”

    Paris Lees was apparently the first openly trans person on BBC Question Time, but this wasn’t the “first-ever appearance”. Her first appearance was in 2013 and is easily found in Google results and on YouTube.

    Factual errors like this undermine your analysis and claims of expertise.

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    June 11, 2018

    Thanks for the discussion truly helpful for an older feminist. But Lisa’s opening piece and some of the comments reminded of the ferocity of the radical feminism and socialist feminism in 70s and beyond. For much of socialist feminism gender was understood as conceptually distinct from sex, gender was socially constructed on the biologically determined sex) Socialist feminism – to put it rather simply- tended to ignore biology . (except in the feminist attack on patriarchal reductionist biology. By contrast the RFs saw the sexed body as central, eg All men are rapists. Looking back I think an opportunity was lost in the theoretical failure to integrate both theoretical stances and their poltical practices.
    For a while I thought feminist anthropologists with their concept of sex- gender refusing to separate the two, offered more productive theorising. This didn’t happen.

    Feminist biologists and the intersex movement,have fought the binary of ‘sex’ insisting on the variety of bodies and not to have the surgeon’s knife and permanent hormone treatment violently enforce the binary model So while sperm or egg producers appears neat – it excludes many. And living in an older body that produces neither, that’s yet another variety and its inhabitant all too often socially excluded. So for this feminist down with binaries. They harm more than help us create a juster and kinder world.

    More cheeringly are moves outside the transgender debate for example where feminist neuroscientists and anthropologists are committed to an ongoing battle to recognise variety in mind- brain, moving beyond the normal and the abnormal to the typical and atypical.

    So for a feminist long committed to embodiment ( and who had a dire time when social constructionism was theoretically dominant within and without feminism) letting our feminisms split into yet another binary looks to be problematic. Splitting gender from sex makes as little sense as it did in the seventies.

    Last an anecdote – a feminist psychiatrist psychiatrist friend who works with adolescents tells me of the growing numbers so distressed that they see changing in their sex-gender identity by having their bodies carved and dosed as the only way to escape their misery. If this is not uncommon shouldn’t this be part of our discussion.

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      July 04, 2018

      “Last an anecdote – a feminist psychiatrist psychiatrist friend who works with adolescents tells me of the growing numbers so distressed that they see changing in their sex-gender identity by having their bodies carved and dosed as the only way to escape their misery. If this is not uncommon shouldn’t this be part of our discussion.”

      This so true! It is important that we (adults) provide spaces where to discuss. Open discussion means not needing to compartmentalize according to who produces what or who can conceive what. Acceptance of non binary individuals will mean that these young people can explore and figure out how to exist in this life without the added pressures to conform. I really feel for them…

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      October 27, 2018

      Hilary I was so glad to read your informed and nuanced thoughts amidst an abundance of reactionary p.o.v.s! I am thinking of writing an article about this very issue, having just found myself attacked and deleted by friends and friends of friends on Instagram for daring to question why I, a feminist, should be taking up the Trans cause. Like your psychiatrist friend, I am also very concerned about the massive mis-diagnosis that appears to be going on right now whereby troubled and perhaps sexually disoriented youth, are glomming on to the idea of gender “re-assignment” as a cure for their woes! I have a friend with a college age daughter that I hadn’t spoken to in over a decade and when I recently got back in touch, she informed me that her daughter, who had never displayed any signs of gender dislocation throughout her entire life, but was somewhat lost and depressed, had suddenly decided she was really male. It turns out that this girl’s psychiatrist that she’d gone to for the depression is one of the leading shrinks behind the whole Trans-is-normal trend. My friend is trying to be “accepting” but in reality is just praying and hoping that her daughter doesn’t mutilate herself irrevocably while going through this phase. I have been accused by people who don’t know me of not having any knowledge of the Trans community and not knowing any Trans people or understanding their political struggle, simply on the basis of my not agreeing that the Trans issue and the women’s issue should be conflated; that they are separate struggles that bear some commonalities and many differences. In truth I’ve known many. Though I’m not gay myself, I have been on the gay/pansexual underground scene socially since my young teen years and have no issues with however someone wants to express themselves sexually, as long as its consensual. So my critique is not coming from a place of disgust with things gay or trans-sexual, nor from an ignorance or sheltered experience, far from it. I’m thinking of this one gay guy I’ve known for over 30 years, with a long history of substance misuse and a chaotic life who has decided, in his 40s, that having a pussy will solve his woes. It won’t! I like what you said Hilary about the surgical re-assignment in fact being a VALIDATION and enforcement of the binary model, rather than an act that supports gender fluidity. Shouldn’t we be helping “third gender” people feel comfortable in their own skin, however they want to “identify”, without removing pieces of their anatomy? I’d like to be in touch with you for this piece if I can get someone to take it. Thank you.

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    June 18, 2018

    I just read on the BBC website that “anti-trans feminism” is “just about” stirring up hatred for trans people. That is absolute bullshit and I’ll share one big reason why.

    Boys and men don’t HAVE to prevent pregnancy. They can, not may, they CAN screw, make love or, god forbid, get raped without conceiving life in a womb.

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      July 04, 2018

      Biological women can screw, make love, or get raped without conceiving life.

      What is your point???

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      October 06, 2018

      I really feel sorry for anyone who ties their entire identity to a physical act, or a body part. As a trans woman I only feel sadness for anyone who propagates an ideology that is both divisive and exclusive. Trans women in particular are vulnerable to this kind of hate, as evidenced by the horrific suicide rate in our community (50% or more half attempted, succeeded, or contemplated it).

      I am open and listening to those who identify as a radical feminist, what can we do to save these human beings lives(all they want is acceptance), and what can we do to make sure we are not breaking the feminist idealogy?

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        November 22, 2018

        What difference does it make if indeed you are “breaking the feminist ideology?” For one thing feminism–even radical feminism–is not, and should not be, monolithic. All political groups eventually reach a tipping and splitting point. Marx pointed this out long ago. If you love who you are, work with other trans-identified folks in crisis. Tell your critics to go fuck themselves. Get a good therapist who will not only accept, but celebrate you. Find trans support groups. Don’t worry what others, women or men, “cis” or otherwise, think of you. I know it’s much easier said than done, but this bullshit in regard to who qualifies as what has GOT to go if we don’t want to atomize (as opposed to revolutionize) our culture right out of existence. With love–Max James Alberts

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    July 26, 2018

    I learnt so much and read every comment. Amazing entries. What is the current label, then, for someone like me who (a) believes trans people are oppressed and need help (b) doesn’t believe in gender norms (c) is happy to have trans people in the room, but (d) wants to focus energy on fighting gender norms. My experience when planning and organizing is that gay men and trans people’s issues are very dominant in LGBTI* circles. I want to focus on women and their place in society, and have mostly only found this discussion in feminist circles. Intersectionality is very important, but again, I’m interested in classic women’s causes. Sadly the label feminist now gets used to indicate someone who is out of touch with trans issues or with other issues, like racism. What does one call oneself?

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    August 12, 2018

    Jeez- some of these anti-trans feminists are seriously angry people. Equality should mean equality for all groups including trans. In 30 years (or less hopefully) we will look back at these anti- trans feminists and think ‘how ridiculous they were’.

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    August 22, 2018

    I like this article. One thing I don’t understand in these comments and in other discussions is how rights and civil liberties for trans people equates to a diminishing of rights for women. It just doesn’t. Regardless of where you position yourself within feminism trans people are human beings, have the right to a liveable and life, and as such should be supported by feminists. There are other targets to be positioning this anger at, such as governments who actually do hold the power to remove hard won rights…

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    August 29, 2018

    I wonder if the issues around trans-genderism could be, in theory, cultural rather than biological. In which case, there is a kind of clash of civilizations going on here. Women are not intrinsically subjugated to men other than through the predominant cultural barbarities of patriarchal societies. If, somehow, one were to make a pledge to working for the deconstruction of these nefarious ideas then, perhaps, that might go some way to engendering faith between these communities of people. In a way, gender identity is a kind of multi-culturalism which struggles to contain all of the disparate peoples existing within it. it is incumbent upon men to eschew and renounce their violent hegemony, and that they work to restore the balance which is due to all. A disclaimer: I am a European-descended, middle-aged man.

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    October 08, 2018

    I think feminism means something different in USA than Europe, As in Europe it only means fighting abuse and subjugation of women. Such as women didn’t have as many rights and were less represented in their own country. It wasn’t until recently women had the right to not be raped by her husband. In USA it seems to be men who hate women, who spend their time searching out examples of idiots who talk nonsense to say all women who fight against abuse are like that. Funny how they spend to much time online whinging against women, filling comment sections no matter what the subject as an excuse to whine on against feminists and saying what women should want, but no woman finds an abusive misogynist who feels threatened by women who have rights against them to be a turn on

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